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Group Renaming

Post by Alpha Cygni on Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:13 am

Just a quick suggestion, exactly what it says on the tin - I think some groups should be renamed. For now, there are only two.

Metahumans -> Augments

Not all cyborgs, robots, or bioengineered creatures are even technically human, or of human origin. The name doesn't make sense all the time, and Augments should account for the nonhumans.

Demons -> Infernals

This one is just for better symmetry with Celestials. The words pair up better.

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Re: Group Renaming

Post by TheGreatTeaTwinkleTa on Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:38 pm

Shouldn't this be race renaming instead of group remaining? Just thought I'd ask sorry.

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Re: Group Renaming

Post by Alpha Cygni on Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:04 pm

Actually, I said groups because they're Forumotion user groups, although of course, the races would be renamed in the handbook as well.

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Re: Group Renaming

Post by TheGreatTeaTwinkleTa on Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:42 pm

Oh okay. oh here maybe these links will help you to plead your case. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metahuman

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Augment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon



http://www.thefreedictionary.com/infernal

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Re: Group Renaming

Post by Alpha Cygni on Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:27 pm

The power of Google compels you?

I can't say I disapprove.

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Re: Group Renaming

Post by PettyCorvid on Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:40 pm

"Infernal" is definitely better than "Demon". It's more inclusive of the various concepts that fall under that category. Besides that, it just sounds better."Metahuman" is less of an issue, I think, but "Augment" works at least equally well anyway.


Tangentially, "Race" is definitely not the right term. Ancients in particular are definitely not unified by species, much less race. Celestials and Demons/Infernals have as much to do with affiliation as their origin, and there isn't much to unify them physically. Spellcasters, Metahumans/Augments, and Alchemists are all frequently, though not always, human, and the spellcaster and alchemist categories are based on abilities, not species.

That seems like nitpicking, though.


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Re: Group Renaming

Post by TheGreatTeaTwinkleTa on Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:41 pm

lol :3 I love google. They say bing is better than google and probably is, but bing messes up the computer. xp

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Re: Group Renaming

Post by Alpha Cygni on Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:20 am

PettyCorvid wrote:That seems like nitpicking, though.
Sounds like this thread and my general attitude toward Haven's systems. <:

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Re: Group Renaming

Post by PettyCorvid on Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:06 pm

Well, people definitely seem to prefer "Infernal" over "demon".

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Re: Group Renaming

Post by Guest on Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:40 pm

Ooh, I missed Dalton giving in suggestions.

Alright, even though I have no hand at all in the decisions of the site, I'm gonna put something in.

Yep, Infernals sounds better than Demons, cause it can then account for other races not particularly demons, but from hell. Yep, there is stuff like that.

I can't really say anything for Augments, although it is a better defining word than 'Metahumans'. Although Augments are also supposed to be humans. Through Star Trek, I believe.
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Re: Group Renaming

Post by Alpha Cygni on Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:16 pm

I'm using it in a context that allows for non-humans: Anything with mechanical or possibly magitech augmentations.

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Re: Group Renaming

Post by Lance on Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:42 pm

Am I the only one here that doesn't automatically connect Celestials with Demons?
Demons, in the context of about half of those I have seen here, are fallen Angels. The other half are more Ancients with an evil bent. Celestials, on the other hand, does not mean angels. It means those that came from the stars.

I like the Augmented idea though.

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Re: Group Renaming

Post by Alpha Cygni on Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:08 am

Celestials including aliens? You deserve a Fridge Brilliance point for that one.

Although that sort of reinforces the point - demons just aren't the proper pair. I know Infernal is a bit too fiery for some other things, but 'chthonic' is Greek and too obscure for most people who aren't me, and I don't have too many other ideas for that at the moment. Bugger.

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Re: Group Renaming

Post by Prince Cort on Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:17 am

Augments/Augmented implies that a person has a part of him enhanced by technology, right? Which makes cyborgs fit in. But what about those who are just normal people? No enhancements, no lab experiments, no magics, just their skill. Would they fit in to this category?

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Re: Group Renaming

Post by Sen Xaqairy on Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:28 am

Augmented Training perhaps?
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Re: Group Renaming

Post by Alpha Cygni on Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:41 am

Ah... we don't have a category for normals, even Badass Normals. At all. That's a completely separate and equally annoying problem with Haven, just as much as the *lack* of unpowered characters. Someone come up with a better name and make it a new category, I would say, if only we actually had more than one or two - that really doesn't fit Augments, which are bioengineered/cyborgs/magically enhanced/robots for lack of a better group.

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Re: Group Renaming

Post by PettyCorvid on Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:02 pm

I think that's because of the power level (which I'm still getting used to). "Human" is the lowest measure of a PC's stats. You can have a character who's supposedly a perfectly normal human being, but you pretty much have to use some kind of Charles Atlas Superpowers to make the power level fit.

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Re: Group Renaming

Post by QoB on Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:15 am

does it really matter? in my time here I've only seen about 3 people actually care about stats and all of them were rule sharks.

That said, "Badass Normals" sounds like a group I'd actually vote for. xD

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Re: Group Renaming

Post by Alpha Cygni on Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:10 am

If I could edit the poll without fucking up the votes, I would add that right now.

Oh well. I want that group in anyway.

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Re: Group Renaming

Post by ChesterKaosu on Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:04 pm

I request that you put in Mystic Bloods creatures who have mystic powers. They are usually humans, but are jokers and jesters. Stuff like that. ^3^ I'd vote for that.

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Re: Group Renaming

Post by Lance on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:03 pm

Unfortunately Chester, there have been quite a number of instances to support Alpha's suggestions, while yours is only backed by one.

We have had suggestions by different people in the past for new character groups, but we have denied every single one as they are usually far too specific and driven by a single persons desire to have a new kind of character, when their actual idea can fit quite easily into one of the already established groups.

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Post by Alpha Cygni on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:45 pm

Oh, I don't know about that. Say, Deneb is a trickster - possibly the trickster - and has large quantities of magical power, but it certainly doesn't have any blood. <:

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Post by ChesterKaosu on Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:50 am

Well my main point is that I think jesters, jokers and anything related to them should have there own category. Or maybe they should just go under bad ass human, or something. Just sharing my thoughts that's all. ^^

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Post by Kurt Rawson on Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:29 am

Hmm, I was just wondering, will evil aliens like Megatron go under Celestials?Maybe we can make a group called aliens as a whole. Oh, and I too vote for a group called "badass normals".

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Post by Alpha Cygni on Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:04 am

Why, yes. Megatron SHOULD go under Celestials. Having groups obviously based only on Abrahamic/Christian mythology annoys me anyway, and 'good' and 'evil' really shouldn't be racial traits. "Aliens" is too human-centered, and half the point of this thread was to NOT have everything so fixated on humanity.

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